Trimmers: Triple sSs Sportscards, triplesssinc, Mike Skerbe, Mark Skerbe, Rich Davis - Page 15

ken161 · 08-08-2021, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pip

The Skerbe brothers do some of the most advanced card doctoring in the hobby.

Not to dispute your claims, or to throw a wet blanket over this thread in general, but the attached 2007 article from PSA's esteemed Sports Market Report (SMR) makes no mention of these alleged misdeeds by sSs Sportscards.

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pip · 08-08-2021, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ken161

Not to dispute your claims, or to throw a wet blanket over this thread in general, but the attached 2007 article from PSA's esteemed Sports Market Report (SMR) makes no mention of these alleged misdeeds by sSs Sportscards.

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Well, in an indirect way it does:

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"Our philosophy has always been to be able to provide our customers with high quality cards without having to wait till a card is located or comes available at auction," said Mark [Skerbe].

If that's not code for "We'll make some new PSA 9s and 10s for you whenever you need them," I don't know what is.

pip · 08-08-2021, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

If BODA had the same number of staff as the number of graders at PSA, it would seem safe to say that number would be at least 100x greater than that 4K number.

Now that's an interesting thought. It would almost be an automated process: New card graded; new altered card found.

pspa123 · 08-08-2021, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pip

Well, in an indirect way it does:

If that's not code for "We'll make some new PSA 9s and 10s for you whenever you need them," I don't know what is.

Made to order cards. What a concept.

CaptSpaulding · 08-08-2021, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

Made to order cards. What a concept.

Just give the people what they want.

LVDan · 08-08-2021, 11:53 AM

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DragonWagon · 08-08-2021, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

If BODA had the same number of staff as the number of graders at PSA, it would seem safe to say that number would be at least 100x greater than that 4K number.

No doubt! These guys do amazing work. I am just trying to catalog it all to make it easier for people to access.

corndog · 03-27-2022, 07:11 AM

PSA Cert #27441145

1964 Topps Ernie Banks #55

Value gain of $1,850.00

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID i***i (triplesssinc) from Ebay seller mar_mh_s7grt99 as a PSA 8 for $150.00 on February 21, 2017.

Same card was sold by triplesssinc (Skerbe brothers) as a PSA 9 for $2,000.00 on August 01, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed right edge and/or corner improvement
along with probable color added to print defect on front.
Multiple scans were used from different sales.

*First sale was by 4_sharp_corners with really small image.
2nd scan by mar_mh_s7grt99.

First scan by TripleSSSinc, 2nd by PWCC.

DragonWagon · 03-27-2022, 09:10 AM

updated https://www.tiffanycards.com/buyer-beware

doowopbruce · 03-27-2022, 11:32 AM

How do these guys get away with this? I'd like someone to point them out to me at a show.

LVDan · 03-27-2022, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by doowopbruce

How do these guys get away with this? I'd like someone to point them out to me at a show.

Because the buyers don’t care about the card, only the flip. If buyers valued unmolested cards as much as PSA grades then these would be far less prevalent.

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pip · 03-27-2022, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by doowopbruce

How do these guys get away with this? I'd like someone to point them out to me at a show.

Over a period time, PSA cultivated an environment that promoted card molestation. Known card molesters were given privileged submission status and glowing SMR featured writeups. Those who committed the greatest atrocities were the most highly promoted among PSA Set Registry collectors. The endgame was the number on the holder, not the actual condition of the entombed trading card. The biggest crooks reaped the greatest financial rewards, siphoned from the wallets of honest collectors.

superdan49 · 03-27-2022, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

Over a period time, PSA cultivated an environment that promoted card molestation. Known card molesters were given privileged submission status and glowing SMR featured writeups. Those who committed the greatest atrocities were the most highly promoted among PSA Set Registry collectors. The endgame was the number on the holder, not the actual condition of the entombed trading card. The biggest crooks reaped the greatest financial rewards, siphoned from the wallets of honest collectors.

Well said.

And nice work by Corndog outing that Banks. I wonder what percentage of bad cards in TPG holders have been uncovered here on BO. I truly believe the answer is about 1%.

corndog · 03-27-2022, 06:43 PM

PSA Cert #27441149

POP 1 - PSA 10

1965 Topps Len Gabrielson #14

Value gain of $2,354.45

PSA Set Registry: private

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID i***i (triplesssinc) from Ebay seller cardscoinsnmore as a PSA 7 for $29.95 on February 06, 2017.

Same card was consigned to and sold by Mile High Card Company as a PSA 10 for $2,384.40 on September 15, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge.
Multiple scans were used from different sales.

Rooftop · 03-27-2022, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by corndog

PSA Cert #27441149

POP 1 - PSA 10

1965 Topps Len Gabrielson #14

Value gain of $2,354.45

PSA Set Registry: private

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID i***i (triplesssinc) from Ebay seller cardscoinsnmore as a PSA 7 for $29.95 on February 06, 2017.

Same card was consigned to and sold by Mile High Card Company as a PSA 10 for $2,384.40 on September 15, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge.
Multiple scans were used from different sales.

Sold by MHCC....shocking

pspa123 · 03-27-2022, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Well said.

And nice work by Corndog outing that Banks. I wonder what percentage of bad cards in TPG holders have been uncovered here on BO. I truly believe the answer is about 1%.

The vast majority will never be outed, that's for sure. Countless cards purchased raw at shows and hacked, untraceable.

CaptSpaulding · 03-27-2022, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Well said.

And nice work by Corndog outing that Banks. I wonder what percentage of bad cards in TPG holders have been uncovered here on BO. I truly believe the answer is about 1%.

Probably more than 1% but not that much more. I have posted numerous times and been ridiculed or attacked that a very high percentage of cards in holders have been worked on. Maybe not all have undergone trimming or recoloration like the majority of the material pointed out on BO but few will submit a card without preparing it for submission. Some of that is innocent and some not so much.

I turnover a lot of inventory so I am constantly shopping and it is astounding to me sometimes what gets holdered. I cannot explain how some of this stuff gets by. For the 17 people in the hobby who care, high grade and high value cards (regardless of condition) are the prime targets.

pip · 03-27-2022, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

The vast majority will never be outed, that's for sure. Countless cards purchased raw at shows and hacked, untraceable.

I can also think of 3 to 4 big name dealers (some outed in the PSA insider letter) who were on pins and needles until the Worthpoint data dump.

Rooftop · 03-27-2022, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

I can also think of 3 to 4 big name dealers (some outed in the PSA insider letter) who were on pins and needles until the Worthpoint data dump.

Wondering who was behind the data dump...

corndog · 03-28-2022, 03:10 AM

PSA Cert #27441144

POP 5 - PSA 10

1964 Topps Willie Stargell #342

Value gain of $1,470.99

PSA Set Registry: BuccoFan01

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID y***o (crodneynow - Rich Davis) from Ebay seller ronp_ohio as a BVG 7 for $29.01 on April 01, 2016.

Same card was consigned to and sold by Probstein123 as a PSA 10 for $1,500.00 on August 13, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge.

doowopbruce · 03-28-2022, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by pip

Over a period time, PSA cultivated an environment that promoted card molestation. Known card molesters were given privileged submission status and glowing SMR featured writeups. Those who committed the greatest atrocities were the most highly promoted among PSA Set Registry collectors. The endgame was the number on the holder, not the actual condition of the entombed trading card. The biggest crooks reaped the greatest financial rewards, siphoned from the wallets of honest collectors.

Has there been any similar allegations against BGS?

mjohnatgt · 03-28-2022, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by doowopbruce

Has there been any similar allegations against BGS?

Do a google search for BGS Industry Summit, O-Pee-Chee sheet cut, or Eagle Eye Joe / Leaf.
Here are a couple that come up:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1318588

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297069

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1420814

doowopbruce · 03-28-2022, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

Do a google search for BGS Industry Summit, O-Pee-Chee sheet cut, or Eagle Eye Joe / Leaf.
Here are a couple that come up:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1318588

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297069

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1420814

Who grades your cards?

pspa123 · 03-28-2022, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

Do a google search for BGS Industry Summit, O-Pee-Chee sheet cut, or Eagle Eye Joe / Leaf.
Here are a couple that come up:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1318588

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297069

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1420814

To be fair, I don't think anyone accused Joe of altering cards, the concern with him was that he got more favorable grading.

mjohnatgt · 03-28-2022, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by doowopbruce

Who grades your cards?

I haven't graded cards in three years or so. Might send some to CSG in the future.

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corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 14,561	PSA Cert #27441145 1964 Topps Ernie Banks #55 Value gain of $1,850.00 PSA Set Registry: none found This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID ii (triplesssinc)* from Ebay seller mar_mh_s7grt99 as a PSA 8 for $150.00 on February 21, 2017. Same card was sold by triplesssinc (Skerbe brothers) as a PSA 9 for $2,000.00 on August 01, 2017. Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain, or chipping identifiers. Red boxes identify trimmed right edge and/or corner improvement along with probable color added to print defect on front. Multiple scans were used from different sales. First sale was by 4_sharp_corners with really small image. 2nd scan by mar_mh_s7grt99. First scan by TripleSSSinc, 2nd by PWCC. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.*

03-27-2022, 06:43 PM	#364
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 14,561	PSA Cert #27441149 POP 1 - PSA 10 1965 Topps Len Gabrielson #14 Value gain of $2,354.45 PSA Set Registry: private This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID ii (triplesssinc)* from Ebay seller cardscoinsnmore as a PSA 7 for $29.95 on February 06, 2017. Same card was consigned to and sold by Mile High Card Company as a PSA 10 for $2,384.40 on September 15, 2017. Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain, or chipping identifiers. Red box identifies trimmed left edge. Multiple scans were used from different sales. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

03-28-2022, 03:10 AM	#370
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 14,561	PSA Cert #27441144 POP 5 - PSA 10 1964 Topps Willie Stargell #342 Value gain of $1,470.99 PSA Set Registry: BuccoFan01 This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID yo (crodneynow - Rich Davis)* from Ebay seller ronp_ohio as a BVG 7 for $29.01 on April 01, 2016. Same card was consigned to and sold by Probstein123 as a PSA 10 for $1,500.00 on August 13, 2017. Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain, or chipping identifiers. Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

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