2023-24 NBA Season Thread - Page 76

gomiamigo · 11-09-2023, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

We got rid of the massive loser energy of Doc Rivers who I said was a bad hire on Day 1 and James Harden! Amazing what having a good coach can do.

daeve · 11-09-2023, 10:11 AM

Lively and Williams look like excellent additions thus far, but here's why the Mavs still aren't contenders:

https://streamable.com/r3pcsw

Luka and Kyrie defense on the floor at the same time.

daeve · 11-09-2023, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

Nah they suck lol

ThatÂ’s all great until you adjust for the schedule and see they have a -2.4 net rating. TheyÂ’ve had the 3rd easiest SoS so far.

The Kings without Fox arenÂ’t very good, and the Hornets suck. Oh and the Lakers are just kind of lol

Kings and Lakers should be playoff teams though, and they didn't just beat them, they throttled both. I don't think Houston is making playoff noise yet, but they're not the bottom-feeders of the league any more.

spurs50fan · 11-09-2023, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by daeve

Brooks beating Bron in round 1...

https://streamable.com/1fbyvd

https://streamable.com/zj29ru

https://streamable.com/l236n4

Lakers are as good as AD and his health. It's his team. Brooks knows that too. My ?-mark is around the Reddish experiment. Averaging under 5 and shooting 30/12 doesn't look good but can he turn it around?

jcardstore · 11-09-2023, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by daeve

Kings and Lakers should be playoff teams though, and they didn't just beat them, they throttled both. I don't think Houston is making playoff noise yet, but they're not the bottom-feeders of the league any more.

The Lakers were missing their best player. The Kings were missing their (arguable) best player. Those are not playoff teams. If Lakers lost AD for the season they'd be terrible. The Kings wouldn't be terrible but definitely wouldn't be a playoff team.

Fox is the linchpin of that offense, it's really bad without him.

rustywest · 11-09-2023, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by spurs50fan

Lakers are as good as AD and his health. It's his team. Brooks knows that too. My ?-mark is around the Reddish experiment. Averaging under 5 and shooting 30/12 doesn't look good but can he turn it around?

Except its not. As long as LeBron is a Laker its LeBron James' team. But yes, when AD is out, the Lakers are dogsh*t, soft as sh*t.

LeBron's pulled the wool over so many Laker fans. Pontificating about winning, he cares about preserving his body to play with his sons and extending his point record out of reach. Anything else is just a bonus to him.

Anybody who watches the game knows. He hasn't played D in a couple of years, doesn't box out, doesn't close out, doesn't even contest with a hand in the air. He optimizes for longevity. Sure, he will turn it up in selective games like his amazing game VS the Clippers this year but against some lowly bottom dweller? Forget about it.

To be fair they have some injuries but I reckon the ceiling is 45? Play-making guards will always struggle to co-exist with James

How bout Lonnie though? Scorched the Clippers today

spurs50fan · 11-09-2023, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rustywest

Except its not. As long as LeBron is a Laker its LeBron James' team. But yes, when AD is out, the Lakers are dogsh*t, soft as sh*t.

LeBron's pulled the wool over so many Laker fans. Pontificating about winning, he cares about preserving his body to play with his sons and extending his point record out of reach. Anything else is just a bonus to him.

Anybody who watches the game knows. He hasn't played D in a couple of years, doesn't box out, doesn't close out, doesn't even contest with a hand in the air. He optimizes for longevity. Sure, he will turn it up in selective games like his amazing game VS the Clippers this year but against some lowly bottom dweller? Forget about it.

To be fair they have some injuries but I reckon the ceiling is 45? Play-making guards will always struggle to co-exist with James

How bout Lonnie though? Scorched the Clippers today

Loved it!! It was great to see him outscore Kawhi

I was wondering how it would turn out in Brooklyn because they have a lot of similar talent but he seems to be having fun. Shooting 52/43 too is nice to see

GOATcards · 11-09-2023, 12:35 PM

realGM thread: KD has built the Nets 2.0 in Phoenix

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Post#1 » by StudentoftheGm » Sat Nov 4, 2023 6:54 pm

So KD goes to Brooklyn to play with a superstar backcourt player renowned for his scoring ability in Kyrie. He then, apparently, backs the firing of the coach who rebuilt the franchise in Atkinson. KD and co-star also appear to favor an aging center in DeAndre Jordan over young center Jarret Allen, leading to Allen being traded. Finally, Brooklyn facilitates a blockbuster deal to bring in another volume scoring backcourt player in James Harden. The result is a new big three with KD plus two elite backcourt scoring threats. The trio is supported by a long list of veteran journeymen. The team is amazing at offense but has major defensive and rebounding questions. Yuta Watanabe hangs out in the corner.

Then KD goes to Phoenix to play with a superstar backcourt player renowned for his scoring ability in Booker. KD then, apparently, backs the firing of the coach who rebuilt the franchise in Monty. Phoenix then facilitates a blockbuster deal to bring in another volume scoring backcourt player in Bradley Beal. KD and co-stars then seem to favor an aging center in Nurkic over young center Ayton, leading to Ayton being traded. The result is a new big three with KD plus two elite backcourt scoring threats. The trio is supported by a long list of veteran journeymen. The team is amazing at offense but has major defensive and rebounding questions. Yuta Watanabe hangs out in the corner.

Obviously these situations aren’t exactly the same. But it’s a little bit interesting, right?
“Basketball does not build character, it reveals it.”
Jerry West

yiguiri2002 · 11-09-2023, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

The Lakers were missing their best player. The Kings were missing their (arguable) best player. Those are not playoff teams. If Lakers lost AD for the season they'd be terrible. The Kings wouldn't be terrible but definitely wouldn't be a playoff team.

Fox is the linchpin of that offense, it's really bad without him.

This. It's super early in the season and hard to evaluate any team.

But a Lakers team without AD and a Kings team without Fox are lottery teams.

JustinVerlander07 · 11-09-2023, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATcards

realGM thread: KD has built the Nets 2.0 in Phoenix

This would be more fun if it was true at any point on the Phoenix end....

GOATcards · 11-09-2023, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

This would be more fun if it was true at any point on the Phoenix end....

some off-target points of comparison would be:
(a) '23-24 Beal is probably not up to the level of '20-21 Harden (when Harden was healthy that season)
(b) '23-24 KD himself is not up to the level of '20-21 KD

I do like the moxie of the realGM OP to put such a thesis up for a test in the realGM lion's den

(I tried signing up for realGM but don't seem to find any account confirmation)

JustinVerlander07 · 11-09-2023, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATcards

some off-target points of comparison would be:
(a) '23-24 Beal is probably not up to the level of '20-21 Harden (when Harden was healthy that season)
(b) '23-24 KD himself is not up to the level of '20-21 KD

I do like the moxie of the realGM OP to put such a thesis up for a test in the realGM lion's den

(I tried signing up for realGM but don't seem to find any account confirmation)

Also KD has nothing to do with Ayton nor do we know about Monty (which seems doubtful given there were lots of issues pre KD and KD played under him for 2 months and like 15 games?)

GOATcards · 11-09-2023, 04:27 PM

Giannis even turned his head aside to do his intensity-growl, that ref should be suspended a game

I don't know if I can think of anything more ridiculous from a referee in my years of watching basketball, and there's a hell of a lot of competition

also the NBA should institute an in-game review of 2nd technicals if there's any question, the teams could use one of their allotted reviews if necessary. there's no excusing blatant stupidity like this

ninjacookies · 11-09-2023, 07:31 PM

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Why is this still a thing? He showed himself last year in the playoffs.

Stripped of his man card in a 1st round bludgeoning, publicly executed on twitter, exiled from Memphis: but hey - poked the rock away from Fossil on a post-up during a pivotal regular season matchup in early November.

ninjacookies · 11-09-2023, 07:34 PM

I know zero defense Dame is out...but damn. That should be negated by Indiana's zero team defense.

MIL looking crazy this year.

bradjames12 · 11-09-2023, 07:43 PM

I realize it's only 1 quarter.. but the Pacers just put 38 points up on the Bucks

jcardstore · 11-09-2023, 08:06 PM

Why the bucks keep running zone when they’re getting torched from 3 is just mind blowing

Nomad · 11-09-2023, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I know zero defense Dame is out...but damn. That should be negated by Indiana's zero team defense.

MIL looking crazy this year.

Indiana has been getting much better at defense, but Jalen Smith out and Nesmith hobbled his ankle and in foul trub. It's gonna be a wild second half.

Pacers one of the fun teams to watch this season.

tjforce · 11-09-2023, 08:42 PM

Giannis playing pissed off tonight.

40 pts and we're only 4 1/2 mins into the 3rd

ninjacookies · 11-09-2023, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nomad

Indiana has been getting much better at defense, but Jalen Smith out and Nesmith hobbled his ankle and in foul trub. It's gonna be a wild second half.

Pacers one of the fun teams to watch this season.

They have the 5th worst defensive rating in the league, and have given up 110+ points to opponents in 6 of their first 8 games.

They're very entertaining to watch, but this is the EC iteration of the 2022 Kings. Give up a bunch of points and hope the offense does just enough to put up even more.

jcardstore · 11-09-2023, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

They have the 5th worst defensive rating in the league, and have given up 110+ points to opponents in 6 of their first 8 games.

They're very entertaining to watch, but this is the EC iteration of the 2022 Kings. Give up a bunch of points and hope the offense does just enough to put up even more.

Numbers… how do they work?

ninjacookies · 11-09-2023, 09:06 PM

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Numbers… how do they work?

Yannis gunning for that Wilt selfie tonight.

Ferg1945 · 11-09-2023, 09:06 PM

Giannis 16-17 FT

Guess he didn't like getting ejected last night.

Nomad · 11-09-2023, 09:21 PM

Math market may be trending up.

Somehow its still a game.

tjforce · 11-09-2023, 09:32 PM

Middleton down bad these days

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tjforce Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 20,816	Giannis playing pissed off tonight. 40 pts and we're only 4 1/2 mins into the 3rd __________________ "Whether you like it or not, learn to love it, because it’s the best thing going. Wooooo!"

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11-09-2023, 10:11 AM	#1877
daeve Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: savannah GA Posts: 12,734 accrules	Lively and Williams look like excellent additions thus far, but here's why the Mavs still aren't contenders: https://streamable.com/r3pcsw Luka and Kyrie defense on the floor at the same time.

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Ferg1945 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Midwest Posts: 14,641	Giannis 16-17 FT Guess he didn't like getting ejected last night.

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