First Buzz: 2023-24 Panini Prizm basketball cards

[boxbuster7]

I remember when blasters were $20...sigh

[kellmuff]

is retail out before hobby? Is that normal?

[Chris P]

Just saw a guy rip a FOTL box and not only did he get absolutely killed, he got shorted an auto and a FOTL shimmer. His one shimmer was OG and auto was shaeden sharpe. Best card was a Wemby base...just awful

[airharrison21]

Backyard just pulled a green Wemby 1/5. Such a huge card

[Nomad]

Just watched the Packman FOTL opening. I am so out of the new release circuit, didn't realize the card has a flash of color in the silver border. Granted, same design ad naseum, but this is the best of the 20-24 run aesthetically. Go out at the apex of your limited-palette prizmatics Panini.

Also realized that 23-24 (like 21-22, except Prizm) is a no Nesmith year. This is so odd. I guess they weren't paying attention and thought Brown, Hield, and Toppin were gonna be keeping him in the deep rotation. Panini decider teams in September 2023 watched as little Pacers basketball as the rest of the world.

[bd3d86]

I realize these boxes are treated like lotto tickets, but man....I have seen 4-5 breaks so far of FOTL boxes and every box has a loss of $1500-$1800.

I guess someone in China pulled the Wemby black shimmer 1/1...

[Grave252]

Originally Posted by bd3d86

I realize these boxes are treated like lotto tickets, but man....I have seen 4-5 breaks so far of FOTL boxes and every box has a loss of $1500-$1800.

I guess someone in China pulled the Wemby black shimmer 1/1...

Ever since the price of Prizm boxes has gone nuclear, it's been one of the worst ROI products on the market for both football and basketball. Sure, it has huge upside, but with deep checklists and a million parallels, the downside risk is 90% on a box, or more. Odds of hitting a low numbered top rookie are astronomical.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by bd3d86

I guess someone in China pulled the Wemby black shimmer 1/1...

This is like the worst news breakers could have and it won't even dent the money flow.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by bd3d86

I realize these boxes are treated like lotto tickets, but man....I have seen 4-5 breaks so far of FOTL boxes and every box has a loss of $1500-$1800.

I guess someone in China pulled the Wemby black shimmer 1/1...

Originally Posted by Grave252

Ever since the price of Prizm boxes has gone nuclear, it's been one of the worst ROI products on the market for both football and basketball. Sure, it has huge upside, but with deep checklists and a million parallels, the downside risk is 90% on a box, or more. Odds of hitting a low numbered top rookie are astronomical.

It's a great breaker's product.

Breakers can sell by teams/players (random/selected) and make easy money because people will always gamble for a big chase card regardless of the low statistical odds of hitting one.

The few who rip personal boxes either have the money to blow or simply don't know how to manage money.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Nomad

This is like the worst news breakers could have and it won't even dent the money flow.

That's not how it works. There's still other low-numbered parallels to hit. It's also a box supply matter too.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Grave252

Ever since the price of Prizm boxes has gone nuclear, it's been one of the worst ROI products on the market for both football and basketball. Sure, it has huge upside, but with deep checklists and a million parallels, the downside risk is 90% on a box, or more. Odds of hitting a low numbered top rookie are astronomical.

Don’t forget that psa 10 slabbed price for the best cards in the box are already priced in as well.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Don’t forget that psa 10 slabbed price for the best cards in the box are already priced in as well.

99% lean!

[brothertona]

There are two other 1/1's of Wemby in the product, not including Fast Break

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Grave252

Ever since the price of Prizm boxes has gone nuclear, it's been one of the worst ROI products on the market for both football and basketball. Sure, it has huge upside, but with deep checklists and a million parallels, the downside risk is 90% on a box, or more. Odds of hitting a low numbered top rookie are astronomical.

I'll argue that 2023 Prizm football and 23-24 Prizm basketball at release are better rips than pretty much any current 23 football or 23-24 basketball product at release price or current presale price. At least you can realistically hit a decent Wemby or Stroud card and do ok. Other products you have to hit a needle in a haystack to break even or come out ahead.

Would you rather open a 2023 Prizm football hobby box for $900 or an Illusions box for $500? Impeccable box for $1850? Immaculate box for $1750? Spectra for $1200? Prizm basketball hobby for $975 or Contenders for $400? Origins for $410? Crown Royale for $450? Im not saying that Prizm is a great price but compared to mostly everything else in basketball and football it is just about the best chance of the bad choices available. Prizm basketball and football are close to as good of ROI as there is with these classes.

[joustpro]

anyone notice that there are not wemby color cards in prizm fotl? anyone see any numbered cards thats not shimmer?

[joustpro]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I'll argue that 2023 Prizm football and 23-24 Prizm basketball at release are better rips than pretty much any current 23 football or 23-24 basketball product at release price or current presale price. At least you can realistically hit a decent Wemby or Stroud card and do ok. Other products you have to hit a needle in a haystack to break even or come out ahead.

Would you rather open a 2023 Prizm football hobby box for $900 or an Illusions box for $500? Impeccable box for $1850? Immaculate box for $1750? Spectra for $1200? Prizm basketball hobby for $975 or Contenders for $400? Origins for $410? Crown Royale for $450? Im not saying that Prizm is a great price but compared to mostly everything else in basketball and football it is just about the best chance of the bad choices available. Prizm basketball and football are close to as good of ROI as there is with these classes.

prizm hobby boxes are one of the worse roi boxes. over printed. best roi boxes will be the monopoly boosters.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I'll argue that 2023 Prizm football and 23-24 Prizm basketball at release are better rips than pretty much any current 23 football or 23-24 basketball product at release price or current presale price. At least you can realistically hit a decent Wemby or Stroud card and do ok. Other products you have to hit a needle in a haystack to break even or come out ahead.

Would you rather open a 2023 Prizm football hobby box for $900 or an Illusions box for $500? Impeccable box for $1850? Immaculate box for $1750? Spectra for $1200? Prizm basketball hobby for $975 or Contenders for $400? Origins for $410? Crown Royale for $450? Im not saying that Prizm is a great price but compared to mostly everything else in basketball and football it is just about the best chance of the bad choices available. Prizm basketball and football are close to as good of ROI as there is with these classes.

You’d argue water is wet.

[vktwinsfan]

Originally Posted by joustpro

anyone notice that there are not wemby color cards in prizm fotl? anyone see any numbered cards thats not shimmer?

Noticed this as well. No numbered Wemby's on eBay besides blaster pulsars and Monopoly parallels.

[dizzy4111]

Originally Posted by vktwinsfan

Noticed this as well. No numbered Wemby's on eBay besides blaster pulsars and Monopoly parallels.

Hmmm

That's no good

[vktwinsfan]

Originally Posted by dizzy4111

Hmmm

That's no good

The checklist appears to indicate that Wemby should have standard numbered parallels.

It's troublesome because breakers on whatnot are doing breaks by color parallel too...

[IronCladLou]

Originally Posted by vktwinsfan

The checklist appears to indicate that Wemby should have standard numbered parallels.

It's troublesome because breakers on whatnot are doing breaks by color parallel too...

WTF

What have they done to my boy (the hobby)

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by dizzy4111

Hmmm

That's no good

Packman showed he pulled a Blue Ice Wemby on IG

[vktwinsfan]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Packman showed he pulled a Blue Ice Wemby on IG

In a FOTL break? He has early access to Hobby I believe

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by vktwinsfan

In a FOTL break? He has early access to Hobby I believe

Ah it might have been hobby then

[vktwinsfan]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Ah it might have been hobby then

Yeah from the FOTL breaks I've personally seen two gold shimmers /10, one green shimmer /5, and the black shimmer.