ALERT: Graded Michael Jordan PMG Forgeries Being Sold by Grey Flannel Auctions

[rogermaris]

Be advised, all three cards are fake. Two were erroneously graded by SGC and PSA respectively. Normally I would put this in the rolling thread, but given the magnitude of these cards, I felt it deserved its own thread. Please help spread the word.

Fake 1997-98 Metal Universe Precious Metal Gems Red Michael Jordan:

https://www.greyflannelauctions.com/...-LOT43753.aspx



Fake 1997-98 Metal Universe Precious Metal Gems Championship Michael Jordan:

https://www.greyflannelauctions.com/...-LOT43752.aspx



Fake 1998-99 Skybox Premium Star Rubies Michael Jordan:

https://www.greyflannelauctions.com/...-LOT43750.aspx



Backdoored 1997-98 E-X2001 Essential Credentials Tracy McGrady:

https://www.greyflannelauctions.com/...-LOT43749.aspx



*A reminder that all views expressed in this post are merely my opinion*

[rogermaris]

Also be advised, there's a Kobe PMG being sold in the same auction. Presumably it was consigned by the same person who consigned the fake Jordans. Unfortunately the image is too low-res for me to be certain whether or not it's authentic, so bid at your own risk.

[KhalDrogo]

Bad bad bad.

Interesting to see how the market appreciation has flushed out a lot of very high-end Exquisite, yet practically nothing of similar magnitude from the 90s.

[heatdawg]

Man, how is no one ever prosecuted on this stuff? We are talking about super high dollar fakes, this should be a priority for law enforcement.

There has to be an FBI agent out there that should be frothing at the mouth to take this investigation on.

It will happen one day I hope, need to punch the bully in his mouth so other bullies know whats up!

[ShaneFalco]

They talk a big talk, but you know what they say about the FBI...
Famous But Incompetent. Jr G-men.

[rj.cataldo]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

Be advised, all three cards are fake. Two were erroneously graded by SGC and PSA respectively. Normally I would put this in the rolling thread, but I feel given the magnitude of these cards, it deserves it's own thread. Please help spread the word.



Fake 1997-98 Metal Universe Precious Metal Gems Red Michael Jordan:



https://www.greyflannelauctions.com/...-LOT43753.aspx







Fake 1997-98 Metal Universe Precious Metal Gems Championship Michael Jordan:



https://www.greyflannelauctions.com/...-LOT43752.aspx







Fake 1998-99 Skybox Premium Star Rubies Michael Jordan:



https://www.greyflannelauctions.com/...-LOT43750.aspx







*A reminder that all views expressed in this post are merely my opinion*

Thanks for alerting. What is fake about these cards? As an owner of a pmg red I’m always interested in understanding the forgeries. If not comfortable sharing perhaps via PM?


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[hairyangryfella]

I had no idea that Grey Flannel (who I think are a bit of a joke, just a step above Mears) sold cards!
What do you think about the T-Mac Credentials? Think I recall murmurings about that exact card previously.

[rogermaris]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

I had no idea that Grey Flannel (who I think are a bit of a joke, just a step above Mears) sold cards!
What do you think about the T-Mac Credentials? Think I recall murmurings about that exact card previously.

Thanks for bringing that one to my attention. Added to the OP.

[cking]

I am curious where all the grading apologists are?

You think they would be chiming in by now.

[sc29650]

How do we know they are fake?

[3124508 on COMC]

Thoughts on Kobe?

https://www.greyflannelauctions.com/...-LOT43751.aspx

[JMarchand1981]

Originally Posted by sc29650

How do we know they are fake?

The OP is pretty much the Subject matter expert on these things. If he says something is fake, that is good enough for me.

[bmf]

Originally Posted by sc29650

How do we know they are fake?

Originally Posted by JMarchand1981

The OP is pretty much the Subject matter expert on these things. If he says something is fake, that is good enough for me.

OP may be the man and all but I agree that it would be helpful to tons of members here to get a thorough expiation and proof.

[rj.cataldo]

Originally Posted by JMarchand1981

The OP is pretty much the Subject matter expert on these things. If he says something is fake, that is good enough for me.

No doubt about that. I don’t doubt the assessment, I just am interested how to know. If this is a true reproduction fake (not a BK copy) that’s scary.


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[bmf]

Originally Posted by rj.cataldo

No doubt about that. I don’t doubt the assessment, I just am interested how to know.

Yes that is what I was trying to say as well.

[PelicanFly]

Originally Posted by bmf

Yes that is what I was trying to say as well.

Listing on a public forum the reasons why a card is fake is just giving ammo to the people who create these in the first place.

Thanks rogermaris

[rogermaris]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Thoughts on Kobe?

https://www.greyflannelauctions.com/...-LOT43751.aspx

Unfortunately the images are too small for me to do any real analysis on the Kobe.

Originally Posted by rj.cataldo

No doubt about that. I don’t doubt the assessment, I just am interested how to know. If this is a true reproduction fake (not a BK copy) that’s scary.

I understand where you're coming from. All I can tell you is that my analysis goes beyond serial numbers. There is a very specific detail the forgers got wrong that easily identifies the PMG red Jordan as straight up forgery.

[rogermaris]

Also, I was just going through one of my fakes folders and stumbled on this image. It seems I've actually encountered this exact PMG red Jordan before...

These photos came from a collection in Asia. All three Jordan PMGs are fake, and the one on the right appears to be the SGC graded copy Grey Flannel is currently auctioning:

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

Unfortunately the images are too small for me to do any real analysis on the Kobe.

+1....poor photos here aren’t helping anything. Where are the Heritage/PWCC-quality scans on these five figure cards?

[cr4yf1shb0i]

Was gobbling up the resurfaced thread on the PMG & rubies refund drama that rogermaris chimed in on and really got educated on how people like to fake those popular cards and how they are just floating around, esp when I'm in Asia and these fakes might be more accessible/rampant. Thank you!

[yrozmaryn]

Originally Posted by bmf

OP may be the man and all but I agree that it would be helpful to tons of members here to get a thorough expiation and proof.

Couple things to this:
1) rogermaris is the king, you sorta just have to trust b/c i've legit never seen him wrong

2) Check many blowout threads detailing diff items

3) He cant always explain how & why it's fake bc it helps the forgeries for the future

[dengbang]

McGrady was a blank and the serial number was added on. The blank popped up years back when a collector, from the east cost I believe, sold their entire collection of credentials. blackrose was their username on eBay if i'm not mistaken

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

I had no idea that Grey Flannel (who I think are a bit of a joke, just a step above Mears) sold cards!

A bit off topic of this actual thread but follows on from my post, in their auction rules it states:
"Our jersey authentication team is under the incredibly discerning eye of Nick Coppola, who has been collecting jerseys for over 30 years and has carefully and separately looked at every game-used jersey in this auction along with our team. All consignors have verified the game-use of their jerseys in this auction."
Which is kind of hilarious considering how many jerseys they're selling that are not likely to be genuine. I tried to photomatch about 6 different ones and none of them matched. The Kobe 2010-11 in particular - he seemed to only wear one jersey for most of the season and then later in the season changed to another which isn't even remotely close. Also proves once again that a DC Sports LOA isn't worth squat.

[bmf]

Never mind. Did not mean to upset anyone or distract from the issue at hand.

[mjohnatgt]

Originally Posted by bmf

That has to be one of the dumbest posts I’ve ever seen here.

LOL. Would you prefer:

Dear counterfeiters,
Thank you for your attempt at making a copy of this nice card to resell fraudulently. In order for you to improve your technique, you should use a different shade of red foil, a little less gloss on the back, and slightly different number stamping on the back. It needs to be slightly more offset from the "Of 100" remainder of the serial number block.

Your post is much worse than the one you quoted.