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I used to sub with BGS few years ago. Eventually stopped because of their inner sleeves are kind of foggy and caused glares, hurting the displayability.
I have a couple cards that I wouldn't mind grading with Beckett if they made any improvements, so I was wondering I could hear from anyone who has subbed with them recently. Thanks! |
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Beckett is the same as they were in 1999.
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Quite possibly the worst managed company in all of Texas
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I know I’m in the minority but I very much prefer BGS slabs, I like the sub grades even if they’re inconsistent, I like the look and tbh they’re just sturdier. PSA let’s cards rattle around far too often
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I do like the overall look of BGS slabs as well. I was hoping that they upgraded the inner sleeves, but I guess not. It's unfortunately a dealbreaker for me because I like to display my cards.
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They actually lost the license to base their company in Texas so it's back to South Carolina now, actually. They can operate in Texas, but not base the company there. Not sure how that plays with the new structure of the holding companies and assets.
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I prefer the Beckett slab to any other. Much more sturdy. The card also does not rattle around inside.
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Seriously? What did they do to lose their license in Texas?
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Can't say for sure since Greg Lindberg decided to challenge his conviction on a minor matter and got the book thrown at him - at the end of his sentence, no less - that also resulted in most of the filings being sealed as recently as February, but a reasonable guess would be that it is either because Lindberg used Beckett Media LLC to funnel money he obtained fraudulently to the tune of 40+ million dollars in one case, or him borrowing against the assets of Beckett Media LLC under false pretenses to the tune of at least 200 some odd million dollars that ended up as part of his slush fund (there's a lot of ancillary sketchy stuff like him using some of that money to hire surrogates so that he had kids while in the fed pen, etc). The indictment isn't sealed but it's dense to the point where the feds made a flow chart probably for their own use since so much fraud was involved and the feds don't like to help defense in getting things straight, speaking from personal experience. There could be other reasons that are contained in the sealed documents but being a significant part of a 2 billion dollar insurance scam/embezzlement/money laundering scheme that he in large plead guilty to or was found guilty would make for a decent reason on its own. I think the first direct mention came from the Alt suit over the '16 Curry suit where they denied almost everything off the bat except their name and the fact that they are an LLC that operates in Texas when characterized as an entity that is chartered in Delaware and is based in North Carolina with operations in Texas, which is very different from characterization of their location in previous lawsuits (they sue a lot and get sued a lot, frequently over nothing. Reap what you sow.) Even though Lindberg no longer owns Beckett, since he has a major federal criminal matter that is ongoing that involves Beckett during his ownership, the exact reason won't come out until that case is resolved.
But yeah, BGS was the conduit used to commit at least $240 million in financial fraud by its CEO. It was complex, involved a lot of people (including unnamed Beckett execs), and attempts to bribe his way out of the mess. It's definitely not good. If you got nothing better to do, the Alt suit is revealing in that it contains a lot of transcripts (my PACER bill is gonna be hilarious this month) of depositions of graders and even screenshots of slack chats. There are 137 page PDF files that contain stuff like BGS' head of grading was hired basically with experience selling Christmas trees as his prior experience and a detailed deposition as to how card modification is done. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket...lectibles-llc/ |
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https://www.sosnc.gov/online_service...ofile/14803557 regarding the texas business licensee, I haven't looked if it was reinstated, but first noticed that mentioned in the Noxx vs Beckett case. [IMG]
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The deal PSA made with eBay that gives buyers the option to send cards directly to PSA for grading after buying on eBay is something Beckett should have thought of first to try and regain market share. But instead, PSA beat them to the punch and will only extend their already massive lead over the rest of the competition. It's like a bunch of clueless apes are running things at Beckett.
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Because gold label looks way better on most cards than the distracting red label?
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I haven’t graded with Beckett in the last year or two, but from what I’ve heard they’ve cleaned up their sleeves a bit—less foggy plastic and fewer glare issues. People seem happier with the display now. Their turnaround time is still a bit slow compared to others, but the quality’s improved.
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Based on my recent experiences with Beckett (in relation to autograph authentication), I would strongly advise anyone to do due diligence before submitting items to this organisation.
My experience has been very poor. In fact, I am confident they did not attempt to authenticate many of the items I submitted (because they lacked the in-house expertise) but I was still charged in full. Customer service is non-existent with responses as standard ‘cut & paste’ templates which do not, in any way, substantively deal with the issues raised. I do think fraud has been perpetrated on me by Beckett insofar as I have been charged for a service not provided and Beckett have had the chance to demonstrate or articulate otherwise but have failed to do so. Beckett = 0/10. It is no wonder that collectors are exiting from Beckett in their droves. |
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Somehow it continues to get worst for this dumpster fire.
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Can the Beckett ship just sink already
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There is no way that auto gets a 10 from PSA or SGC. LOL
Guess this is one way to generate headlines for Beckett.
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Favoritism and grading bumps due to card value and submitter is unfortunately all too common a practice in the industry.
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